To do this we must choose the logo. Here the submissions: https://web.archive.org/web/20190208013412/http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo

Shall we have a poll among VUAs or extend it to the public?

The most professional and complete style proposal seems to be this one: http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/

Hello :) This is my proposal for logo and logotypes.

Made with inkscape

https://web.archive.org/web/20190208013412/http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:DraganFOSS-DevuanLogo-update.png

Updated svg file for better explanation

disclaimer: I'm really not an expert graphic designer and I use just terminals all the time.

However: very, very nice! And I love the golden ratio!

Is there a free font that you recommend going with this design?

thanks for your contribution.

Hello Jaromil, I'm glad that you like logo :)

Font is headplane, and is free for personal use.

http://graphicriver.net/item/headplane-truetype-font-file-/272394

However, logo itself is heavily modified by me, and is totaly free of course :)

If you/VUA team decide to apply my suggestion for the logo, I'd be glad to contact the author of font and seek written permission to use the font for the open source project. In case that something should be paid (font itself, some licence etc..) money is not problem.. that would be my very modest contribution to the Devuan project.

Best regards, Dragan

UPDATE: Similar solution is applied to the logo of our community in Serbia, as well as for our TRIOS Linux distribution (based on Jessie, without systemd)

https://foss.rs/threads/trios-mia-openrc-zfs-rc1.3057/

@DraganFOSS we were discussing your proposal earlier today on IRC #devuan-www. I really appreciate the presentation and the attention to details. I also like the symmetry of the e and e. I'd be interested to see if you can explore this symmetry, because there's something to do with d e a and u v n.

Hi hellekin

Of course I'm very willing to make necessary adjustments for better look .. the original proposal was, as its name suggests, just a suggestion :)

Tomorrow I will make several samples, so you can have better insight what is possible to do for better visual identity

Best regards, Dragan

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Since we don't have a logo yet, I used a placeholder ;o)

your-way-640x480.{png,svg} (boot splash)(software freedom, your way)

no-fuss-1920x1200.{png,svg} (desktop background)A no-fuss GNU/Linux I can tinker with.

• Text uses Fira Sans normal.
• Logo uses Fira Sans ultra-light, with a yellow greek alpha (\xce\xb1).
• The background color is Debian's pink.

I only attached the Desktop background here. The files live in devuan-art .

Hi there As I promised, here are a few suggestions and corrections :)

Also, VUA team should decide color code for devuan.. For example, Debian swirl color is HEX - #d70a53 by Gimp

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo

Red color in my samples is #d40000 by Inkscape ...or any other color you choose for logo :)

I used #A80030 (as per Debian: "The official SVG at https://www.debian.org/logos/openlogo-nd.svg uses #A80030 as filling color")

Colorwise, I think sticking with "Debian Red" is good for continuity, but I don't have any hard preference.

The chosen font is Fira Sans .

Not fan for the sci-fi font.

Ok, no problem, Fira is nice font...here is logo in svg, if you decide for this solution :)

Best regards, Dragan

Screenshot

What about something like this... Using Fira Sans Ultralight seems friendlier for the logotype. Maybe the logo could be more curvy, or somewhat thinner, or both. The combination still grinds a bit.

@DraganFOSS 's logo is good for favicon, and reflects the symmetry between the letters d,e,a on the one hand, and v,u,n on the other. Alone, it could be either read as d or a. Reversed, as e. I like that.

This isn't a logo but a possible DE/splash screen background. Link is outside of git because I haven't yet generated a key and figured out how to use ssh - new things for an old lady. It did not go over too well with the design team (which is OK) but I thought I'd post here just for giggles.

http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/penguins/trio.png

I think the DraganFoss logo has possibilities but it's a little too squished and heavy for my taste. Not a fan of the hybrid font either. Just my .02.

Hi hellekin

Maybe the logo could be more curvy, or somewhat thinner, or both.

Of course...you are absolutely free to make whatever changes you want on this logo.

Best regards,

Dragan

my preferred is triple spacing

the trio desktop is awesome thanks golinux

Here we go again :)

Thanks for doing that Dragan. Much nicer font. I am still puzzled though why the 'e' has been singled out for what I assume would be the favicon when Devuan starts with a 'D'. Here's thought. Have you ever thought of rotating the 'e' 90 degrees ccw and extending the tail to make a lower case 'd'? Something like this?

I also posted it to the logo category:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190208013412/http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Dragan_transformed.png

Tail might be a little long but that could easily be adjusted. It would however take someone with better graphics skills than I possess. I opened inkscape yesterday and couldnt figure out a damn thing. So no time for me to get a working knowledge before the alpha is released.

@golinux

The initial idea for the logo was that resembles somewhat the debian logo. However, all other ideas are welcome, but.. VUA team is responsible for the final decision :)

Best regards,

Dragan

If we go for a D I prefer @atari314's concept of something that reminds our galaxy :) @DraganFOSS the logo starts looking like a paper clip to me, rather than a swirly thing. Keeping with the idea of a golden ratio spiral seems like a good idea though. The thinner version looks much better with Fira Sans than the previous one.

Food for thought...

Not bad. But it looks like a mixture of regular and italic font (which I always find a bit disharmonious). Could the 'e' and 'a' be a bit more upright?

Indeed it is italic . I wanted to exacerbate the symmetry between d , e , and a . With Fira Sans, the symmetry between u , and n is obvious. Only the v is not symmetric, but could be, especially if it forms a vertical symmetry with the u . The reversed italic e looks like a d when isolated, but could be better, especially if does not close entirely.

@hellekin

the logo starts looking like a paper clip to me, rather than a swirly thing

Agree..but you ask for it ;)

You have to choose what you want from logo...to looks very close to Debian swirl, or not at all.

My first proposal was exactly that...not swirl. #7 (comment 260)

Also, IMO, Fira is nice font, but ultralight is bad choice...whichever "thick logo" you put between letters in "Devuan" looks ugly

So, in design you have to stick with some rules, or the results are usually ugly.

Symmetry is also a special story..in a word that is not symmetrical you can't set up a complete symmetry.

Anyway...some more samples :)

Note that in my ultimate version, I didn't use Ultralight but Light . ;o)

Need to sleep on the new images...

I think this might have been my favorite of all the logos submitted. This is very close to what Dragan just submitted but using the swirl as the 'd':

https://web.archive.org/web/20190208013412/http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:D-spiral-text.svg

another one :)

Very creative - your ideas are always appreciated - but this one is way too angular and bottom heavy IMO. Looks like a lethal weapon! And not very peaceful . . .

@golinux

Looks like a lethal weapon!

No problem for me, since I'm not exactly peaceful person ;)

Anyway, rather than vulgar symmetry, I like to experiment with hidden meanings :)

More exercise in symmetry and typography.

Other font (EB Garamond)

One last for the road :)

@hellekin . . . The uniform font is a nice improvement. But I still don't get the logic/significance of highlighting any letter other than the 'D' It still looks weird to me (for whatever that's worth). . .

@golinux I find it more balanced like this, and when it's isolated, it still looks like a d . But really, It should be working without any color...

Still I'd prefer something like our Milky Way. But the logotype itself should be standing by itself.

@jaromil any feedforth on the backgrounds?

@hellekin . . . yes, much more balanced. I prefer simple and clean. Maybe it's my old eyes but the loop on the 'e' looks fatter than the loop on the 'a' even though i know it isn't. A bit of optical illusion. I'm about to spend a few minutes revisiting the spiral 'd' idea but will crash soon . . .

@hellekin . . . You asked jaromil about your backgrounds. Well, I'm not jaromil but I do want to weigh in on your suggestion of 'software freedom, your way'. IMO it is a perfect description of Devuan's 'mission' (as I understand it, at least). I hope that the VUAs will consider incorporating that text to build a strong Devuan identity.

I have no strong opinions (and my sense of aesthetics is stuck at black/white ASCII as ultimate beauty) so just happy I have something to toy with whenever I'll re-spin another iso. I also like 'software freedom, your way' as one of our mottoes

Yet another iteration. Here, the text is simplicity & freedom , inspired by this message that Marezz pasted on #debianfork.

And this is a logo inspired from @golinux 's love of rainbows. I guess someone can come up with more harmonious colors.

This one is my favorite: I wanted to get rid of that nice idea of the transparent "a looks like a d". Too much smarts makes it dull, and the tri-colored version made me think about Bouygues, which really sucks. So I came back to the basics, and re-appropriated the ultimate logo proposed by @atari314. And wow, I like that:

Now the reversed italic e looks weird...

@hellekin Another nice motto. And building on that (thanks to cocoadaemon) how about. 'simplicity. not overrated.'

As to the graphics. I'll give a try at recoloring the 'cat's eye' later today. I do like the redo of atari's offering but might try to keep the swirl still slanted but a bit more upright. Thanks for pushing things forward . . .

Simplicity. Not overrated. Sounds... Complicated :)

Is it upright enough?

Adjusted a bit more upright, but scanted the e and a a bit, and slightly moved the vertical alignment.

Now I think about corporate water and colonization. Time for a ceasefire :)

Yesterday cocoadaemon suggested "SYSTEMD. Simplicity. It's overrated." which really seemed complicated and confused to me!!

Last version of atari314's logo the spiral is now a bit too far away from the 'e'. And the slant/upright confusion has gotten worse! But overall we're getting closer.

On another note. Had another unsuccessful go 'round with Fira yesterday or I'd be submitting some ideas myself..

I'm rushed right now so will have to revisit later

Ah! Great minds!! You already fixed the spiral location. Good.

@hellekin

Nice work :)

IMO, devuan-atari-2, but with regular "a" leter would be the best choice..what do you think?

That strong horizontal line in the 'e' is not visually pleasing. Maybe an upright rounded italic 'e' and a regular 'a'?

@golinux

Yes, my suggestion was exactly like yours, but your explanation is much better :)

I like atari-2 - wow this is starting to look very pro

Here we go... In this iteration, I restored the italic e , and broke the central symmetry of the spiral...

@hellekin

IMO logo/spirals are better with symmetry. Also, can I ask you to attach logo in svg, for me to experiment a bit?

Here's another couple of PNGs. I give you the SVGs @DraganFOSS , hold on...

fu

Everything above, PNGs and SVGs (might have missed some, but all necessary stuff should be there).

@hellekin

Tnx...In the meantime, I was made double spiral in svg, rough version, just for easier work in inkscape..this is only what i need for experiment

svg & png..comparison :)

pointy yuck, but square yuck as well (and hint: the SVG spiral needs cleaning. The latest devuan-logo*.svg contains a cleaned version.)

Meanwhile, in a galaxy very close to us , very very close ...

@hellekin

pointy yuck, but square yuck as well

Yes, I know, but this is only concept..final cleaning should take place only at the end, when everything falls into place

For those who like symmetry.. :)

@DraganFOSS please try reversing the a .

Meanwhile in Candyland...

Wow! I go to the grocery and look what I missed!

@Dragan . . . When I was on the trek to the store - a good long drive - I was thinking very much along your symmetry idea but with the 'a' flipped so there isn't that backwards hiccup. Something like hellekin was doing with the italic letters but using the spiral instead. I won't be able to play with it for some time - lots of food to put away - so I'm hoping that maybe one of you could do a quick mockup of that idea?

I love equilateral triangles. So I tried something. Ended up reproducing the Quicksilver logo, almost. But then I thought about this shell (used above), that @jaromil showed to me once... Something's coming...

@hellekin I know you like that shell but it is just a dark blob that needs some lightness and definition. Maybe you could mirror the left side to the right side?

I think that Fira font is not that good with double spiral logo

maybe some other font would be better, but...i don't know.. Above fira is Utopia font ...

@hellekin Simmetry sample with ordinary"a"...

@Dragan I agree with you about the Fira font but not crazy about the 'hooks' of Utopia either. I have a font collection that I will assess later for compatibility with the revised atari314 spiral

@Dragan Could you please try flipping the 'e' for the 'a'?

I meant the "spiral a" ("flipped e for a" :) Indeed the Utopia font looks nicer with the spiral... But Fira Sans is good. I'm more thinking that "Devuan in Fira Sans Light with italic e and reversed italic e for a" is right for the logotype, and we need a logo to go with it. Not convinced we need to fiddle much more with integrating the logo with the logotype.

Multicolor simpler shell @golinux :) Psychedelic!

@hellekin . . . YIKES!

@golinux Utopia is there just for example..in my OpenIndiana I have quite a bit of installed fonts :)

@hellekin Devuan_3_atari314.png.2015_02_19_19_06_43.3.svg looks like a Star Trek badge on acid.

It is much better to use web, than choke OS with fonts ;)

http://www.fonts2u.com/

@Dragan . . . I have some fonts that I think will be better but not on this computer. First dinner. Then hunker down for a font search.

Hmmm Can we stick with Fira Sans?

@hellekin

Can we stick with Fira Sans?

No problem... the last one sample with non-fira font ;)

@Dragan Wow! That looks really good! Even has a spiralish 'e' and 'a'!

@golinux Indeed..zekton font, but we must stick with fira :)

@Dragan Why stick with Fira for the logo when it just doesn't work with the spiral? The site font can still be Fira. Why would that be a problem?

@golinux

Agree, but..

hellekin 41 minutes ago

Hmmm Can we stick with Fira Sans?

The problem is not the logotype, but the logo. The logotype is nice.

I have often used a logo/title font that is different from the main site font. I really don't see a problem with that. What am I missing?

@hellekin If i understand correctly, you think double spiral is not good for logo?

The double spiral is very good. It just doesn't match the logotype.

Ah . . . the return of the paper-clip! The italic font with that square 'D' is quite disharmonious.

Here is the logotype in clean form (sizes adjusted and such). Is it fine with you?

It works well with this font - Screenshot-3.png

Why are you so fixated on EVERYTHING being Fira?

Here is the SVG.

That's ok but completely forgettable. The logo should be MEMORABLE and visually enticing.

Guys . . . Can we please think in art and not plain text mode?

@golinux I think it's because we have a working logotype, that has the advantage of using the chosen font for everything from Web to print.

Debian has a memorable logo, but who would be able to reproduce the logotype? I fear that if we look for a perfect logo integrated with the logotype, we will end up with something that is not so versatile. Anyway, I'm looking forward to more proposals.

OK, @golinux , so let's think about what the logo should convey: freedom, simplicity, complicity, solidity, love :) To me that sounds like curves, lots of them. No angles. Nothing thick. Duh. I want to drop Fira Sans for Bauhaus or Garamond already :paw_prints:

I will beat my head on this later. I might even try just one Fira font. Last attempt messed up PS so badly that I had to restore with a pre-Fira backup. What size and style is that last 'clean' offering?

@hellekin . . . Have you ever played with a reflection of the logo? Both sides of the coin?

@golinux why would I? The size doesn't matter: it's vectorized. The style is "Light".

@hellekin . . . it matters to me because I haven't a clue how to create a vector so it's gonna be a png.

I need some food. Brain turning to mush. bbl.

From chaos and diversity to order, complexity, and simplicity.

Retrying the double spiral with the logotype...

Looking over the previous entries. I totally missed the 4th one in this file: devuan-atari-6.png

Could you maybe try the double spiral "D" and keep the rest the same. That could just be it!

Re the animation . . . you are a man of many talents!

OK. Here's a rough mashup of the double spiral and one of your previous experiments:

And here's the cat's-eye recolored . . . a soft rainbow! Have no idea where that white border is coming from . . . :(

A new batch follows... But first, the last of atari series

New batch with a "victory D"...

last one for the road... @golinux I like your coloring.

g'nite

nah... Eso... An ear to listen.

nah . . . definitely eso!

devuan-vd.png

The one with the circle and backwards-tilted 'D' . . . well, I take the fifth!! But that just gave me an idea. Guess you'll see it tomorrow.

How about a change of pace. Getting to be my bedtime . . . bye . . .

Here's a font called Dragonfly. Looks very organic with the shell:

The shell will please @jaromil ! Such a great idea to cut it in half.

@hellekin The shell could use more definition and be any color (even a rainbow)! Hoping you or Dragan have a better font. One that looks 'organic' and from nature. Maybe something TempusSansITCish but open source?

And this could be the favicon. Any color, of course. :

Thank you for making it more legible @golinux

@hellekin I posted the various shell font ideas and the shell favicon to the logo page. Using an object from nature does project "freedom, simplicity, complicity, solidity, love" more directly than an abstraction. I think @jaromil was on to something.

Here's a font collection on Google fonts. It includes 10 fonts in various shapes that looked interesting enough to be explored in the context of the shell: Alegreya, Crimson Text, Overlock, Princess Sofia, Gentium Basic (I like this font in general), Cardo, Arapey, Satisfy, Lobster Two. Happy exploration!

@hellekin . . . I was so excited to see that link! Then I looked at the fonts. What a bummer. They are ALL dreadfully uninteresting. Hopefully you or Dragan or someone will have better resources. I'll do a little searching too later.

All?

@hellekin Yeah. PEBKAC! I had the site preference set to use san-serif so they all looked the same. Once I figured that out, I could see them but nothing there that I think would work. I did find this on openfontlibrary if that source is acceptable. It looks twiggy and natural. It has this license .

Natural like... Too much caffeine, ephedrine, amphetamines, and lacking sleep and hydration?

I bet I could make it look bootiful! But not on my production machine right now so can't try. Anyway, I looked at all 500+ fonts on that site and this was the only one that had a chance of working. Will look again later . . .

Looks like the Dragonfly font is free. I'll look through that site later too.

FWIW, no caffeine in this house, am well hydrated but did have a late night followed by an early morning so could probably use a nap.

OMG! Need to go revert the font choice. The font on git kinda sucks.

OK, you win :)

@hellekin :) That rainbow just made my day! How did you do that? A quick tut would be appreciated. A little styling on that font would really make it pop out! I'm bleary-eyed from looking at fonts on the site that Dragonfly resides. I have no idea how many more to go. I've downloaded about 20 that are promising. Most of them have a Public domain, GPL, OFL license. The rest are free. I'm pretty exhausted. If a bath doesn't revive me, further experiments will have to wait until tomorrow.

I just realized that with my browser configured to override fonts set by websites, I will never even see the Fira font on the Devuan site. ;)

PS. I hope you realize that I would never expect your latest to be used on the site.

@hellekin Still playing with the shell. Possible computer badge/sticker? Used one of the new fonts - Paprika

@hellekin Another version:

What happened to the double spiral logos? (Maybe I'm coming here late)

@Noel "Envite" Torres . . . Scrollback on irc. This from hellekin:

I'm quite unhappy with any version of spiral, swirl, etc., because we couldn't go beyond "make something, and write text besides it". This sucks. So, the solution of using Dragonfly looks like a nice placeholder.

I did not mean LOGO+text in an horizontal way. I just like logos with a double spiral, whichever way they are mixed with text.

Text logos and graphic logos haven't been differentiated in the 'logo' discussions which has been a little confusing.

This is a VERY rough concept - almost pencil on paper - that solves the frustration we were having with a spiral + text. It attempts to merge Gravis' negative spiral with the font of the logo. It also echoes the yin/yang motif of my early logo submission and the infinity symbol. The font is Paprika ( http://www.1001freefonts.com/paprika.font ) and has a Public domain, GPL, OFL license.

I tried versions with half of the spiral and can also visualize (but not easily execute) the trailing arm much thinner.

It obviously needs attention from someone with serious Inkscape skills. Unfortunately, that's not me. Have at it guys!

I like this better:

I like those ideas, golinux.

Since minor planets have been chosen as a basis for the Devuan naming scheme, previous design suggestions based in spirals and galaxies might not be appropriate. Here's a concept more closely associated with planetary bodies.

I like it!

( the orbits one )

Thanks for the vote of approval. The above is a rough concept. I started to discuss it with cocoadaemon on #devuan-www . . . he has the graphic skills to take it to another level. No feedback yet from hellekin. If you have any interesting orbital graphics that could possibly be used, please share.

Experimenting (not too successfully) with color fill. Infinite possibilities. Enough for tonight . . .

Your avatar is pretty cool. You could use it as the "e" in "Devuan".

Should we have three logos?

Debian has two: One "free for all" and one "almost unusable".

We could do it easier: one really free, one for things really realted, but not official, and one only for Devuan-approved products.

We still do not have one logo and you want to complicate things, @Envite ? \xf0\x9f\x98\xb5

Sun + Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, the four planets before the asteroid belt, where Ceres orbits outside of the inner planets' plane. I had been working on this concept when I found this nice picture of planet relative sizes . Taking the orbits from there I was able to draw a view of the "Earth plane" relative to Ceres' 10.6 degrees orbit inclination and oh! Pareidolia.

So far the orbital idea seems the most fruitful. The Heliospheric Current Sheet is a great mix of spiral and orbits, but it should be extended to match a whole disk because this form (link) doesn't look good enough. I intended to use this picture as a placeholder logo FWIW.

Note: the above is not a logo, it's the visualization of the Earth orbital plane vs. Ceres'. It can serve as a base though. Here's my SVG file.

Just for completude: most of the images I used come from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System

I agree that orbits seem like the best direction to go. Our approach is quite different though. I am delighted that Franco approves of the concept! Making some progress I think. Looking forward to what you will come up with from all this rather clinical data.

Very nice and meaningful! But I hear Envite when he speaks on having more logos, the pity is to choose one among the many things produced so far - and waste the rest. However yea, we need to settle on something soon.

Love the simplicity of the logo "D-orbits.png". The colors could change a little bit, but i like the idea.

...

Same without the markers.

Meet my new background.

"No fuss" revisited.

"No fuss" dark.

For those on the other side of the spectrum.

Meet my new :P background.

Updated the larger one to like like the better light one.

Love it hellekin. I totally approve! =D

Wow.

@hellekin thanks! i really love them all!

WOW! You've been busy. Technically correct but that 'D' is UGLY as can be . . . that black strip is just plain nasty. Don't like the font either. Sorry . . . it's a yin/yang/masculine/feminine thing, I think. I would eradicate every bit of any of these from my DE immediately after install.

Note: This is not a lobby for any of the graphic concepts that I have suggested. In any case, the final decision is not mine and my opinion is irrelevant.

Hehe @golinux when I did it I thought that you would put some colors ;o) I thought about it in black and white for the case exists, but of course it can be changed... Actually I was thinking of using some kind of boreal lights patterns. Except I don't know how to do that. And it needs to degrade to very small sizes (down to favicon) and there, all shapes are off :] I will let other have a try at it. Here is an SVG.

@mincer proposed a nice swoosh so I blended it to my previous work. Didn't test yet for a favicon, but it looks good to me.

Yes, I like the swoosh too. I prefer the first option. Would help if the font were a bit heavier or the orbit 'D' a bit thinner. With this font, the swoosh seems a little wide. How about this?

Here's an update... The first is @mincer's original curve. The second is the previous one, the last two use a width in-between @golinux 's and the original (mostly keeps the disc circular, which adds a little).

Better. But I just realized that the swoosh really doesn't work with that angular font, especially the 'E'. Can we find a curvier font that would mirror the softness and motion of the swoosh?

Hmmm... What about this?

gnomgnomgrrmbl

Second one is better. The swoosh is still a bit too elongated to my eye. And the swoosh is too bottom heavy. Would be nicer if the thickness of the fat part of the swoosh were closer to the thickness of the font.

kuikuik?

Thinner swoosh

Ha! You beat me to it. Here's my rough version:

one last for the road...

new iteration

I like this pseudo-moebius ring... Maybe we find something to use it for.

The 'E' of the one above the moebius would look better if it had the proportional curves of the 'U' and 'N'. Right now it's a little too square. Maybe try the curve of the 'C' but with flat ends?

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